Weeks 01 – 12 (12.08.1973 – 04.11.1973)
Weeks 13 – 22 (25.11.1973 – 10.02.1974)
Weeks 23 – 34 (17.02.1974 – 12.05.1974)
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good 😀 !
You can use the numerous Dutch press archives to find the missing attendances and goal minuts (http://kranten.kb.nl/ for a start).
I know that archive, it is very handy, but – of course – doesn’t offer complete issues over a continuous period. For example, I lack the “De Telegraaf” issue from Monday, 13 May 1974 (my library lacks it). That archive also doesn’t have it. That issue has the formations of the very last matchday of the 1973-74 season. Can’t find it anywhere, unfortunately.
That seems suspicious. Have you made research on labour strikes/conflicts? It may well be that De Telegraaf wasn’t published at all on that particular day.
all lineups are now available on weltfussball.de – that’s why I haven’t updated Eredivisie lineups for all those other seasons that I am interested in (1960 to 1990). https://www.weltfussball.de/wettbewerb/ned-eredivisie-1973-1974/
KB is not the only Dutch newspaper archive – there are a number of post-war ones too, see http://kranten-historisch.startpagina.nl/.
The line-ups you seek can be found in the Neuwe Leidsche Courant, for example: http://leiden.courant.nu/index.php?page=0&mod=krantresultaat&q=doesburg&datering=14-05-1973&qt=paragraaf&pagina=&sort=score+desc (but it was not the last day of the season).
In the KB, De Waarheid for example has complete lineups for that round, as does De Tijd (but substitution minutes still baffle me).
Sorry, I was mistaken and looked for 1973
http://leiden.courant.nu/index.php?page=1&mod=krantresultaat&q=kowalik&datering=13-05-1974&qt=paragraaf&pagina=&sort=score+desc&doc=1&p=8¶graaf=68&y=127 is the correct link.
That is gold! Following that link, I see that “Trouw” has not only the lineups but also the goal scorers (in detail with minutes scored) and the attendances!
I have now completed this season and added goalscorers and missing lineups (a few are still missing though). I have to thank you, Silvermane, for the research you did. This also allows me to cover seasons 1971-72 and 1972-73 of the Eredivisie in the future.
Next stop: Serie A 1960-61!
Referees and attendances were also added, of course.
wow 1969-1970 e 1970-1971 ? we can? obviously eredivisie
My main source is “Leidse Courant” but they only started to have lineups in 1971. Hence no season 1969-70 or 1970-71 possible.
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this site is fantastic vision http://www.elfvoetbal.nl 😀
What he said. Elfvoetbal has complete Eredivisie lineups, just no goal or substitution minutes.
If you want a newspaper source, search in KB. Het vrije volk, Limburgsch dagblad etc. should have 1960s lineups.
thanks 😀
Thanks for your help, Mirko & Silvermane! Excellent site!
Do you know if there are Italian websites that have archived newspapers like the Dutch Kranten archives? Where actual newspapers can be researched? I ask because I look for attendances figures for Serie A games, which are not available in my source (which has everything else, thankfully).
Try the site of the Gazzetta dello Sport 😀
do you know any site for statistics Belgian championships ? thank you
wwww.vi.nl
I say non-existent 🙁
Wolfgang: La Stampa is available, but it’s pretty slow. Also L’Unita, but there are gaps (such as Monday issues missing from the early 1980s).
Mirko: http://www.bsdb.be, free registration required. Goes back only to late 80s but includes lower leagues too.
thank silvermane….sin starts from the late ’80s 😀
hello silvermane…..have already taken off the site? : (
Thanks for your help and suggestions!
mirko: BSDB has sporadic outages unfortunately, try again another day,
silvermane:In fact, today visited ok …….. thanks !
hello silverman….you know some website where I said the attendance of players: blackburn rovers-wba-sunderland-blackpool-sheffield utd-fulham-bolton thanks: D
mirko: http://www.11v11.com/ has most (all?) attendances in the Football League. Note that prior to WW2 exact figures are not always available.
Unless you mean line-ups, in which case you are limited to http://www.enfa.co.uk (pay site) or fan sites for individual clubs which may or may not be accurate and complete. See http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=226672 for an incomplete listing. I estimate that about two FL dozen clubs have complete histories on the Web, and goalscorers are available for some others (Huddersfield/Stoke in Wikipedia for example).
Silverman then thanks ……. 11 11 << I know ….. I think ENC interesting and now I read how it works …… the other is difficult ……. thanks again : D
silverman……..ENFA is a really great site …. thank you very much
I have added “games and goals” to the Eredivisie 1973-74 season.
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THANKS WOLFGANG 😀
Thanks very thanks Wolfgang
Hi, nice work! If you need help or if you are missing something about the Dutch league you can ask me for help.
Hi AjaxArchief!
Thank you very much for your offer. Currently I am looking for a series/volumes of books which deal with historic lineups of the Eredivisie. I have found this for many countries, even Brazil, Argentina, Yugoslavia, France, Belgium and so on, but not for the Netherlands. Do you know whether such a work exists? I know there is a website which has this information, but I always prefer books instead of websites.
Cheers
Hi Wolfgang,
i don’t think that exists. Not with full line-ups. I think the only dutch option is the ‘Voetbal International’. This magazine exists since 1965 and it has every week the full lineups but i think it’s very difficult to make it complete.
How much do you want to spend for that information? Then i will take a look if i can find something for you.
I had a look at ebay.nl and looks like vintage “Voetball International” yearbooks are very sparsely offered. Anyway, buying period yearbooks is always very expensive so I guess I will stick to looking online sources.
Hello ajax archief know tell me where I find the sites and networks in the Dutch league appearances from 1969 to 1982? thanks ….. elf voetball not put more old data ….
I found an old version of Elfvoetbal that still has the historical data:
http://www.elfvoetbal.cn/club/00158_psv/wedstrijden/1956-1957
Hope that helps!
EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!!! in japan but they understand well the names! thanks steve thank you very much! if I can help on some statistics very happy 🙂
Great for squads/appearances, just don’t rely on it for goals scored… They have a lot of missing data (eg it might be a 5-2 score but only 3 of the 5 goals will be assigned). I’ve got a big batch of teams to look up games for on Leidse Courant now.
look up games for on Leidse Courant now………I’m sorry that mean? google translator did not translate 🙂
cheers
It’s a Dutch newspaper archive (http://leiden.courant.nu/). If you know the date of a game you can find the scorers from the next day. I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread?
I’m looking for specific teams from all over Europe and South America: here is a smaller list of the teams I’d most like to track down. Ideally in the form of player name / games as starter / games as sub / goals:
Argentina:
Argentinos Juniors 85-86
Boca Juniors 62-63 / 64-65 / 76-77 / 77-78 / 78-79
Estudiantes 67-68 / 68-69 / 81-82 / 82-83
Independiente 63-64 / 65-66 / 71-72 / 72-73 / 74-75 / 75-76 / 78-79 / 83-84
Newell’s Old Boys 91-92
Racing Club 66-67 / 96-97
River Plate 65-66 / 69-70 / 75-76 / 77-78 / 94-95 / 95-96 / 97-98 / 98-99
San Lorenzo 59-60 / 72-73 / 87-88
Velez Sarsfield 93-94
Belgium:
Beerscot 52-53
KAA Gent 56-57 / 90-91 / 91-92 / 99-2000
KSV Waregem 85-86 / 92-93
KV Mechelen 87-88 / 88-89 / 89-90 / 90-91
Lierse SK 59-60 / 71-72
Racing Genk 97-98 / 98-99
Racing Mechelen 51-52
RFC Liege 51-52 / 52-53 / 63-64
SK Beveren 78-79 / 83-84
Standard Liege 57-58 / 58-59 / 62-63 / 68-69 / 69-70 / 70-71 / 71-72 / 79-80 /
France:
Lille 47-48 / 48-49 / 51-52 / 52-53
Lyon 73-74 / 74-75
Marseille 47-48 / 48-49 / 69-70 / 70-71 / 71-72 / 72-73 / 74-75
Monaco 55-56 / 62-63
Nice 50-51 / 51-52 / 55-56 / 67-68 / 72-73 / 73-74 / 75-76
Nimes 61-62 / 70-71 / 71-72
RC Paris 61-62
Reims 47-48 / 48-49 / 52-53 / 53-54 / 54-55 / 55-56 / 61-62 / 62-63 / 75-76
Sedan 62-63
Sochaux 52-53 / 71-72
Toulouse 54-55 / 65-66
Germany:
Hamburg 59-60 / 60-61
Schalke 57-58
Yugoslavia:
Dinamo Zagreb 66-67
OFK Beograd 72-73
Partizan Beograd 53-54
If you or anybody else can help me with some of these, I’d be very grateful!
ok good !
FOR ARGENTINA ww.estadisticadefutbol.com.ar/argentina1division-buscar?s=arg1d&subs=find
FOR BELGIUM from 1974 http://www.bsdb.be/
FOR FRANCE http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.competition.division-1.france.1964-1965..125.en.html
FOR GERMANY http://www.calcio.com/
FOR JUGOSLAVIA .parapsihopatologija.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1130&page=7
I think that they can give you a big help 🙂 I hope! for anything let me know
cheers
ok good !
FOR ARGENTINA ww.estadisticadefutbol.com.ar/argentina1division-buscar?s=arg1d&subs=find
FOR BELGIUM from 1974 http://www.bsdb.be/
FOR FRANCE http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.competition.division-1.france.1964-1965..125.en.html
FOR GERMANY http://www.calcio.com/
FOR JUGOSLAVIA .parapsihopatologija.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1130&page=7
I think that they can give you a big help 🙂 I hope! for anything let me know
cheers
ok good !
FOR ARGENTINA ww.estadisticadefutbol.com.ar/argentina1division-buscar?s=arg1d&subs=find
FOR BELGIUM from 1974 http://www.bsdb.be/
FOR FRANCE http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.competition.division-1.france.1964-1965..125.en.html
FOR GERMANY http://www.calcio.com/
FOR JUGOSLAVIA .parapsihopatologija.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1130&page=7
I think that they can give you a big help 🙂 I hope! for anything let me know
cheers
Thank you!
nothing…..let me know ! 🙂
Hi,i search caps and goals PSV 1954-55 and 1955-56….elvoetbal is closed….:( ! can you help me? thanks
Nice work on Dutch Football ! Can we have more during the 1970s and 1980s?
Hello Wolfgang,
here is what i found after a thorough search:
Week 6 : PSV vs AZ 67 2-1 not mentioning the minute
Week 8: De graafschap vs Feyenoord From 0-3 to 4-3 in the first half and then 4-7!!! Fantastic!
Week 14: Ajax-Telstar 7-1 is indicated as scored by Couperus. Maybe he scored the 7-2 and the scorer of 7-1 for Ajax is missing.
Week 17: In the table there is a mistake with the wins and draws and points of Ajax. It’s actually 13, 04 and 30 respectively.
Week 28: Groningen vs Twente, half time score is 0-1
Week 32: FC Amsterdam vs AZ 67 minute of the goal is omitted.
Week 34: Nec vs Haarlem Half time score is omitted and at FC Amsterdam vs Utrecht no minutes for the goals are indicated.
Telstar: van egmond is not indicated at the roster
Utrecht: Peter VAN oudenallen
Haarlem: Peys and Huyberts are not indicated in the roster
Roda: No goals are indicated for Johan Meuser
NAC: Quaars is not indicated in the roster of NAC, instead he is indicated in Den Haag’s roster
NEC: Blijderveen and Kronshorst are not indicated in the roster
Great season for Twente! Failed in the last hurdle!
Regards
This is great! Many thanks! I will go through this once I have finished your corrections on Belgium!
Regards
I’m searching for the statistics (appearences and scores) for the Dutch competition from 1954 til now. For the highest division (Eredivisie) I have the statistics complete from 1977 til now. For about 12 clubs I have the data complete from 1954 til 2018. How can I help you to complete the data on jour site?
Hi Egon, I just sent you an e-mail.